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Am continually experiencing random stuck and missing MIDI notes with every DAW i use with my 2 different MTPAVs (USB) and my Micro Lite MIDI interfaces since updating to MacOS 10.10.x (yosemite). The stuck and missing notes occur with DAWs whether i'm playing thru the interfaces in real time or whether i'm playing a sequence/scene. The DAWs i'm using are Digital Performer 8.07 and Ableton Live Standard 9.1.7.this occurs on two separate machines - Mac Pro (Late 2013 - trashcan, 3.5Gh 6-core, 32gb) and on my MacBook Pro (Retina, 15in, Mid 2014, 2.8Gh, 16gb), both machines are running 10.10.1. This issue did not occur on my previous machines or previous versions of sw and operating systems.to verify this, i connected the same 3 interfaces to my old MacPro (2008 - 10.9.5) and to my old MacBookPro (early 2011 - 10.9.5) and played a USB kybd controller, an external MIDI keyboard, and sequences. Not once did a stuck note or missing note event occur.
I then connected the interfaces one at a time to the new mac pro and the new macbook pro, and stuck notes occurred randomly with all 3 interfaces. I repeated the checkout using different MIDI and USB cables to verify it's not a cable issue.i then installed a clean version of Yosemite 10.10 onto a blank freshly initialized 500gb external hard drive, installed the latest MOTU audio and MIDI drivers, and installed both DP 8.07 and Ableton Live Standard 9.1.7 and no other programs, plugins or extensions. I booted up my destop mac pro with the new install, and tested this clean install with both programs against all 3 interfaces, being driven by an external MIDI keyboard, a usb keyboard controller, and clean sequences in both programs. The result was random stuck and missing notes with each configuration.i then installed the latest Yosemite update from the App store - 10.10.1, and re-ran this test against the new OS.
The result was the same - random stuck and missing MIDI notes with each configuration.it appears that theres some kind of issue with Yosemite and the MIDI driver, to the point that i cannot drive an external MIDI device thru a DAW reliably.incidently, this issue does not occur with virtual instruments/plugins in either DAW; not when playing sequences, not when playing them with a USB controller, and not when playing them with an external MIDI keyboard. The problem only occurs when trying to drive external MIDI gear inside a DAW via MIDI either with a sequence or with an external device. Also, this has to be a MIDI driver issue and not an interface issue because if i use the internal routing capability of the MTPAV to route MIDI data from one port to another (without utilizing the DAW MIDI capability), i have no issues with stuck notes.for the final tests, i installed the virtual keyboard program VMPK and used this to drive the external MIDI instruments to see if the problem exists with a virtual keyboard input source - it does not; i had no stuck or missing notes when using VMPK as the driving input to external MIDI devices through the DAWs.
I then connected an external MIDI synth to the MIDI in/out port on my 828mkII. I drove the synth via MIDI, thru both DAWs with a USB controller, sequences, and via another external MIDI device connected to its MIDI IN port and had no issues with stuck/missing notes. And finally, i installed the latest driver for the M-Audio Midisport Uno 1x1 USB MIDI interface. I ran both DAWs with this unit and i drove the synth via MIDI, thru both DAWs with a USB controller, sequences, and via another external MIDI device connected to its MIDI IN port and had no issues with stuck/missing notes. It appears the problem is exclusive to the MOTU MIDI drivers and dedicated MOTU MIDI interfaces.
IMac 2.7Ghz quadcore i5 16 gig RAM DP 7.24 OS 10.6.8, iMac G5 2.1GHz 2.5 gig Ram DP 5.13 OS 10.4.11 MOTU 828 MK2, East West Platinum Plus, Miroslav Philharmonic, Komplete 5, Kontakt 2 Garritan Big Band, Mr Sax T, The Trumpet, DrumCore, Trilogy and Trillian, Ivory, MachFive, Ethno Instrument, Reason 4, SampleTank 2 Sampletron, Samplemoog, Melodyne Editor, Nomad plugins, Vintage Warmer, Ozone 4, Amplitube Jimi, Xgear and AmpegSVX.http:www.davidosuna.com Posts: 1127 Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 10:01 pm Location: Mountlake Terrace, Washington Primary DAW OS: MacOS. It looks like MOTU Tech Support is right on this issue.
I hadn't used external MIDI in a while, but worked with it last night on my Mac running latest Yosemite and MOTU MIDI drivers with my MOTU MTP/AV USB (with old MTP II daisychained off its serial port) and it seemed to work swimmingly. It must be a USB3 issue. MOTU would probably need to make a ROM upgrade on the MTP/AV perhaps to fix this? Given the dwindling numbers of users working with outboard sound modules, even IF that's the fix (and I don't know), it may not be forthcoming if a hub will solve the problem.
Can probably buy a cheap hub for less than what MOTU would have to charge for a new ROM. MOTU would probably need to make a ROM upgrade on the MTP/AV perhaps to fix thisI am guessing that the boat has sailed on this. MOTU ran out of the 2.0.1 firmware chips in 2012 required for the MTP/AV USB to run on Intel Macs and later PCs. I got one of the last ones before they took them off the web site.It might not be a firmware issue. It could be the USB circuit controlled by a different chip.
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Unless someone with a lot of time wants to research the issue and figure out exactly what it is and the part number of a chip that makes these USB 2/3 compatible, the best answer is going to be, ' a powered USB 2 hub normally fixes this'.Has anyone tried replacing the C2032 battery to see if that has any effect? DP 10.01; 828mkII FW; MOTU MTP/AV USB with Firmware 2.0.1; MachFive 3.2.12017 iMac Pro 14 Core 2TB, 128GB RAM, OS 10.14.6, 2TB x2 over TB2IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan Antares, 32Lives, LogicPro X, Finale 26.1, Encore 5.0.7, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave 1.21.9, DSP-Q 5.1.1, QuickTime Pro 7.6.6, SmartScore Pro X2 10.5.5, Toast 18Test machine: G4-1K Dual Processor: OS 10.4.11; OS 9.2.2; DP 5.13; Encore 5.05 & 4.5.5; Toast 9.07b, legacy appsPosts: 10388 Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:08 pm Location: Sillie Con Valley Primary DAW OS: MacOS. 2 x 3.3GHz Six-Core Intel Xeon-24 Gig 1333 MHz DDR3 MacOS 10.10.5DP 9.02, I loaded DP 9.1 but it was too problematic, MTP AV, 828 mkIILASS Strings 2.05, East West Pianos, East West Goliath, Spectrasonics Omnispere, Stylus RMX, Waves 9, Drum Core, NI Guitar Rig, Miroslav Philharmonik CE, Antares auto tune 7, entire Nomad Factory tube processor library, Reason 3.05, Izotope Ozone 3-4-5-6, Trash 2 and Spectron, Ivory Piano, VI One, and Toontrack Drums, Addictive Drums.Ocean way Drums,etcPosts: 3741 Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:01 pm Primary DAW OS: Unspecified.
In order to set it up, first you have to find it on your computer. Long long ago, almost all computers had two serial ports, called 'COM1' and 'COM2', one a with a nine pin and the other with a 25 pin connector. Now times have changed and the serial port has vanished. Don't give up hope, however. The USB to serial converter has arrived, and it can be used instead. It is usually a dongle which plugs into a USB port, with a nine pin male connecter at the other end.
On my desktop computer, the motherboard has two built in serial ports. The third seial port, here labelled COM4, belongs to the USB to serial adapter I have plugged in. So, to find the serial port on your computer, scout around its back.
If you find a nine pin male connector (two rows, five and four, pins sticking out inside a metal shell) it has a serial port built in. Or get a USB to serial converter and plug it in.
Open up Device Manager. Right click on 'My Computer' and select properties (at the bottom of the list that pops up). Click on the 'Hardware' tab. Click on the 'Device Manager' button and a something similiar to this picture should appear.
Click on the '+' sign on the left of the 'Ports (COM & LPT) to expand it. The list of printer and Serial ports available will be shown. Make a note of those, you will need them in the steps that follow.
To connect to the serial port, a minimum of three lines are needed - the transmitted data TxD(pin3), the received data RxD(pin2), and Ground(pin5). Data comes out from the computer as positive and negative excursions of the voltage on the TxD pin with respect to the System Ground pin.
This voltage would be somewhere in the fifteen to twelve volt range. Data goes into the computer as positive and negative excursions of the RxD pin. At least three volts would be required for the computer to get the data without error. When hyperterminal has been correctly setup, whatever you type into its window gets sent out to the wild yonder through the TxD pin. Whatever gets in through the RxD pin gets displayed on the screen. By default, if you open up hyperterminal and start typing, nothing gets shown on screen. This is normal.
However, if you connect the RxD and TxD pins together, they wiggle together and so whatever you type gets printed to the screen as well. This is the loopback test.
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You can make a loopback plug by taking a nine pin female connector (socket) and soldering a wire between pins 2 and 3. This is then inserted into the connector of the serial port to be tested. Or, alternatively, you can take a bit of wire and wrap it around pins 2 and 3 of the relevant serial port as shown in the figure.
With the loopback plug in place, click inside the hyperterminal window and press a few random keys on the keyboard. Whatever you type should get shown there. If so, congratulations. If not, you have gone wrong somewhere, so go back and select a different port or something and in effect press every button until you get it working. A word of warning, though. Hyperterminal has an option to 'echo' characters, which means it will show the characters typed on the keyboard as well as the characters coming in through the RxD pin.
Check that this is not the case, before concluding that you have been successful. It is simple, really. Removing the loopback connection will stop the echo via the serial connection.
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I have a MIDI Time Piece AV, an Express XT, and a Micro Express. They are all old as the hills. They do not look like the new ones with the same names.
For example:Mine:And the new ones:I tried to update the firmware in the Express XT, but it isn't seen by the updater, even though it shows to be active in Audio MIDI Setup. It does 'work', but not very well. Not all of the control information is transmitted and lots of stuck notes, etc.
I can only assume the MTP AV, which is even older, would have the same issues. The Clockworks software works, in that it comes up and shows the interface, but it doesn't do the things it's supposed to do like merge inputs, port to port virtual wiring (shows that it is wired up, but it doesn't actually do it), and of course the stuck/hung notes.So I guess I need to spend $350 on a new Express XT or whatever, but my question is, going from these dinosaur units to a new one, what else will I get, other than a working unit? I'm trying to build a complex MIDI rig that is an analog MIDI/virtual MIDI hybrid. These old units don't interface well with the other USB only MIDI gear I have, such as the MIDI Expression units I have from Audiofront (USB MIDI only).And, does anyone even buy cable type MIDI interfaces anymore? If I only have a couple MIDI keyboards I plan to hook up, should I get a high-dollar interface like the XT, or will a $40 M-Audio interface do the same things?I'm realizing how silly these questions are, but keep in mind that I've been out of the MIDI interface business for a long time, so.I went to Ohio. But my city was gone. Adywan star wars revisited download.
DP 10.01; 828mkII FW; MOTU MTP/AV USB with Firmware 2.0.1; MachFive 3.2.12017 iMac Pro 14 Core 2TB, 128GB RAM, OS 10.14.6, 2TB x2 over TB2IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan Antares, 32Lives, LogicPro X, Finale 26.1, Encore 5.0.7, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave 1.21.9, DSP-Q 5.1.1, QuickTime Pro 7.6.6, SmartScore Pro X2 10.5.5, Toast 18Test machine: G4-1K Dual Processor: OS 10.4.11; OS 9.2.2; DP 5.13; Encore 5.05 & 4.5.5; Toast 9.07b, legacy appsPosts: 10388 Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:08 pm Location: Sillie Con Valley Primary DAW OS: MacOS. The latest MOTU MIDI interfaces support the latest SMPTE standards. This may, by itself, be reason to upgrade.Maybe. Well that, and that the interfaces work correctly at all MOTU doesn't appear to have the MTP AV anymore. I guess the Express XT is now the flagship of their line. I'll see if I can find a manual online before I sink a few hundred, so I can see if it does all of what I need.
Just looking at it superficially, seems like it has a lot more features and functions than the others below it, particularly with Clockworks. More features are what I'm interested in the most.Mike, as usual, thanks for your insight! I just hate updating hardware that used to work before the OS software changed.
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But there it is. Many years go by here, and I think it's only been a couple! Firmware Change Log - It looks like only the latest versions go the micro express and MIDI Express XT have downloadable updates.An older thread dealing with the stuck notes in Yosemite issue:MOTU's note on the compatibility issue with Intel Macs. The kit for the MTP AV had two chips, the ROM and another (I would have to open mine to check), the others needed the 2.0.1 ROM only.' This ROM update allows certain older MOTU USB MIDI interfaces to operate successfully with PCs or Macs with Intel Processors.If you are using the Micro Lite or Express 128, or a MIDI Express XT or Micro Express with removable rack ears, your interface already has this latest ROM version and you do not need to purchase this ROM update.If you have another MOTU MIDI interface model, check the printed label on the bottom of the unit. If 'M/W' is printed on the label, then your interface already has this latest ROM version and you do not need to purchase this ROM update.If the label does NOT have 'M/W' printed on it, then you need this ROM update to successfully operate your interface with an Intel PC or Mac.'
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Matter of fact, it has a very minimal amount of I/O. It's all done in Clockworks/computer now, and I don't really have a way of trying that software out, without buying a new interface.It would be great if one of you gentlemen could tell me: In Clockworks (with the Express XT), which is where the merging of ports can be set up, is it possible to merge any other USB (only) MIDI gear with the 8 ports?
For example, I need to merge my MIDI Expression interfaces outputs with my Keyboard controller, as per this thread:Or, can it only route and merge its own 8x8 external MIDI cables?I still need a working hardware interface for some keyboards/modules, so I'll likely have to purchase one anyway. But if the Express XT's merge/routing doesn't work as I described above, there's no point in spending the $ on that when I could get one of the lesser interfaces substantially cheaper.Thanks for the help guys, and Mike thanks for the link to the firmware logs!That sinking feeling, when you realize that you are designing/building a complex system that doesn't really exist as a complete purchased solution, and you have to do the research from scratch and build it in pieces, or compromise on the vision.
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